Jan 20, 2019 - Explore Ratana Pich's board "Deadlift variations" on Pinterest. 04-26-2011, 07:44 PM #6. gbrice75. It makes between a 5%-15% difference. How To Do The Sumo Deadlift Stand with your feet wider than shoulder-width apart, and your toes pointing out at a 45° angle, rather than straight ahead. I have been trying to do the Conventional Deadlift for a while now, but its not happening, when my form looks good it doesnt feel good, and when my form looks bad it feels great. It’s also not appropriate on many exercises. I'm a firm believer that if you need to switch from double overhand grip on deadlift to do a set, your forearms are not strong enough to be doing said set, so go lighter until it is. Sumo deadlifts put more stress on your shoulders rather than your back. Kettlebell Sumo Deadlift. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, Discussion of physical fitness/exercise goals and how they can be achieved, Press J to jump to the feed. Metric Sumo Deadlift Deadlift Difference … See more ideas about deadlift, deadlift variations, fitness body. I use belt on squats when I get heavy (like over 120 kg) and I feel that it helps me to keep my core tight. I'm not competing though, so I see no need to train the sumo stance. Written by: Kevin Cann The conventional deadlift versus the sumo deadlift is one of the great debates in the strength sports. You can probably get away with it for a bit, srs. i personally have never tried sumo, cause i just feel awkward in that stance. I have to say, though, that on my last cycle I used a conventional pull, and that was probably for two and a half or three weeks. The sumo deadlift has allowed me to still train hip extension with a barbell even in the presence of my low back strain. On deadlifting I get no such feeling. I am 6’3 and not very flexible so sumo feels better on my lower back. The higher the frequency, the more comfortable you will become with it. In almost every resistance-based gym program, the deadlift (or a variation) is present. If you play rugby and want leg strength, then sumo is the way to go. JavaScript is disabled. I read this when I was struggling: https://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/how-to-deadlift-layne-nortons-complete-guide.html, "...most people wear their belt too low. The sumo deadlift shares many similarities with the conventional deadlift; both stress midline stabilization, posterior-chain engagement, and balance about the frontal plane. It seems as though my form starts to fail as I get … Another view of the sumo deadlifts is that it works as a great accessory exercise to conventional deadlifts and squats. If you have weak spinal erectors, then the sumo deadlift will feel easier than the conventional deadlift because it hides these weaknesses by allowing you to have a more vertical torso. An athlete will tend to gravitate towards this stronger position naturally. However, instead of using the weight shift described, keep the weight back on your heels. i deadlift for Rugby, hence i need power in my glutes, and hammies, the sumo i guess does this better than conventional? Also which muscles are getting worked more in sumo vs regular deadlifts? If the sumo deadlift feels a little uncomfortable, don’t give up on it. Plus I hate my hands grinding up my crotch on the way up. If you get back pain, do much lighter. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Many times when an athlete first starts to deadlift, one position feels more natural or stronger (usually conventional) than others. Hook also feels a lot of like straps. I definitely recommend trying the position for a little while. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. You are under the guise that the belt should be comfortable. With one fluid movement—hinging forward at the hips with a neutral spine and … I would think the sumo bear would pack on some mass, but I've never done the bear. Sumo Deadlift Among the most effective isolation in the market for a prohibited by a registered medical practitioner before you know the “techniques. Sumo deadlifts help strengthen your adductors but they also help promote a more “knees-out” position for squatting and conventional deadlifting. The ideal lifting structure for … The sumo deadlift and the trap bar deadlift are totally different exercises. Trap Bar Deadlift. An athlete will tend to gravitate towards this stronger position naturally. Belt tightness is up to you. The sumo deadlift, in my opinion, became popularized by the Russian lifters who are historically all technicians of the sport. I suppose for some people, it may be better - because of their body's geometry - to pull sumo, but not being one of those people, I can't speak for them. If you are built to pull, this advice is still for you. With a weighted, cast iron kettlebell instead of a trap bar or barbell, it is often used by more advanced lifters … You must log in or register to reply here. I recommend a good 10- to 13-millimeter powerlifting belt. This deadlift is actually more like the trap bar type. A female powerlifter setting up in the Sumo Deadlift position. ", I have never worn one and have ranged my lifts up to quite heavy for me (450lb+). It isn't . I feel much weaker off the floor in the way that I can't even lift conventional dl warmup weights. When the bar is gripped with the lifter's hands inside their legs, the form is considered "Sumo". I think you need to experiment with the placement of the belt (high or low) along with tightness (too tight especially) which can impact how you feel during the lift. This position received its name from sumo wrestlers, as it it mimics their movement. every man is born with the ability to make himself a king and the ability to make himself a slave. Obviously, long arms are a hindrance in moving big weights in the bench, but they are a great asset when the bar hits the floor. Kettlebells, Strength & Conditioning Forum. Root your feet into the ground. The second common technique is the sumo deadlift which is done with a wide stance, and toes and knees pointed outward. I've never used one, but I weigh 90 kg and currently deadlift 175 kg in the 4-6 rep range. conventional just feels wierd to me, every different setup i try it has a bad thing, where as sumo, i just grabbed the bar and pulled it perfectly. Learn how to correctly do Sumo Deadlift to target Quads, Glutes, Spinal Erectors, Traps with easy step-by-step expert video instruction. With a sumo deadlift, you need to get your stance wide enough to engage the hips and quads. I love sumo but not gonna lie it gets pretty ridiculous with the right anatomy for it. June 3, 2020, 10:15am #3. I personally pull sumo because of my built, I have a long torso and it is easier for me to pull this way than the conventional. The top half or third of the movement feels really really awkward for me especially with my hands scraping against my thighs on top. It should feel natural and athletic. I later learned that this was because I wasn't really bracing properly with or without the belt. regular seem to get more of the entire leg and back involved. That can be significant. There’s a reason people wear them. https://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/how-to-deadlift-layne-nortons-complete-guide.html. However, it can be very helpful to focus on the position that feels weaker and more awkward for long-term improvement. YMMV Don't forget: always let your grip strength be the limiting factor in your deadlift. It can feel awkward at first especially if you’ve never done it before, but most people find that it’s easier to pull compared to conventional deadlifts once they get the hang of the movement. I am pretty tall at 6’3 and the standard deadlift feels akward to me, however i do use them but with lighter weights that let me do around 12 reps. CrossFit Seminar Staff member Julie Foucher demonstrates the sumo deadlift. Yes it does. Aim to do 3-5 reps per set and 4-5 sets, ensuring you take adequate rest between each set. I think I am getting better generating the right sort of tension for that move. It’s not hard to understand why, as it hits a bunch of points that every gym-goer aims to achieve. It will feel awkward until you get used to it, but it'll pay off big time in the long run by dramatically improving speed off the floor. New deadlift PR (personal record) // one rep max attempt: No limits 475 Pounds (4 plates, a 25, and 10 on each side) How to do it. However, the wider stance and grip inside the knees facilitate a more upright pulling position and greater reliance on the quadriceps than the conventional deadlift. ERIC KIM 475 POUND SUMO DEADLIFT // ONE REP MAX by ERIC KIM January 23, 2021 January 23, 2021. Go with what feels natural. As in the wide stance low bar squat, the wide stance employed by the sumo deadlift shortens the effective length of the thigh by decreasing the horizontal distance between the knee and the hip.This occurs because the wide stance necessitates that the leg is held at an angle and when the leg is held at an angle, it simply displaces less space horizontally. im thinking of returning to my sumo deadlift, i love it dearly, but i just cant get it out of my head that its a shorter range of motion, "easier" than conventional etc. If your knees get in the your shins probably aren't vertical and if you can't get your shings vertical perhaps you need to wrok on your hamstring flexibility...? When looking at the demands of the sumo and conventional deadlift, there are only two major differences. Therefore, if you are someone that has lower back issues, I would recommend trying sumo. When I get married, my wife is gonna get videos of me butt ass naked doing glutes and hammies lmao 藍 She gonna see these cakes raw and in action lol. Now that we have the sumo deadlift explanation out to of the way, let’s look how you're doing it wrong. Good form trumps belt anyday. yeah for me at higher weight my sumo feels like the weight's not even going to budge and then a second later i have it locked out. Fill your belly with air, sit *backwards* towards the wall behind you, and grab the bar with an alternating grip that is roughly shoulder width apart. Sumo deadlifts will forever be awkward for me but I’m slowly adjusting to them. If you're trying to simply get bigger/faster/stronger for rugby then it would help to do both kind of deads. As someone who's moderately tall doing a deadlift feels extremely awkward. Sumo Deadlift. Sumo KB Deadlifts Feeling conventional deadlifts too much in your low back area?? The Sumo deadlift is a variation of the conventional deadlift often adopted by powerlifters. You’re around about as strong as me (maybe stronger but I won’t admit that). When I first started deadlifting with a belt, I didn't feel any benefit. I can pull 180 kg beltless if I go sumo, but for conventional pulls of 180 kg or more I always wear a belt. Chances are it feels awkward as hell if you’re doing it correctly. In this way does be bad for your physician and train each muscle groups like the deadlift is a simple ones. Sumo Deadlift VS Trap Bar Deadlift? I have no doubt that if you're trying to be competitive, that training and competing using the sumo stance is probably the better option - you're obviously shortening the ROM/bar path with sumo v. conventional. Take a wide stance, place your shins roughly .5inch away from the bar, and angle your toes to follow the same line as your knees. Pulling the shoulder blades down and back throughout the movement can feel awkward. I've seen people go beltless for more. But you should play around with each stance until you feel most comfortable. Some lifters prefer a variation that is a cross between a conventional deadlift and a sumo deadlift. This deadlift may feel a little awkward at first, but like all things, it’ll feel more comfortable with practice. The last thing you want to do is force a more upright torso if you have long legs because that will feel even more awkward when deadlifting. I wear my belt a little bit higher for deadlift than for squat, which minimises its impact on achieving proper positioning. I pretty much only do sumo. i have the body for a conventiuonal pull aswell, but it doesnt work as easy as that ive found. The difference between the two lies in the setup of the lifter's feet and hands. Sumo deadlifts are harder on your quads. Most people are stronger at sumo. But this is often a result of deadlift mechanics not feeling natural to the body. I used to pull sumo, pulled 180kg at 70kg bodyweight at 17, which i thought was good. Sumo Deadlift Form and Technique Points. I would think the sumo bear would pack on some mass, but I've never done the bear. Re: Sumo Deadlift or Reg Deadlift? People will also argue that the sumo deadlift is easier because it Conventional deadlift will help with Olympic lifting a lot more than a Sumo style will as it resembles the first pull of the clean a lot more. Could just be wearing it too tight or in the wrong position. The hybrid is dead in the middle of both moves in terms of torso position and degree of knee bend. The first version is the conventional deadlift technique with the feet close together, hips back, and back straight. The second common technique is the sumo deadlift which is done with a wide stance, and toes and knees pointed outward. The hip hinge is bandied about all over the internet and is killed on everything. Bend at the hips to lower and grab the bar. It sounds like this technique would be similar to the sumo deadlift, but that is not quite the case. I’m not native english speaker, https://www.t-nation.com/training/the-belt-and-the-deadlift. I’m reasonably big guy (over 100 kg) and when I’m lowering to deadlift with belt I feel my stomach gets in the way and I cannot realky consentrate to get tight as I would without belt. http://www.bestbelts.net/Powerlifting-Belts/The-2-5-Inch-Belt.aspx. But i always thought people looked at sumo as an inferior deadlift. Conversely, if your sumo feels better with submaximal loads, but your conventional max is higher, then odds are that your quads are weak. The stance does take some getting used to as it feels awkward as first. It’s not a hip hinge! If you need to strengtg your muscles associated with deadlifts, I would do a month of slow controlled movement with low-med weight and focus on doing the movement with perfect form. In fact, you might want to add some deficit deads, as well (both sumo and conventional). I’ve tried sumo and it feels incredibly awkward. ... the hamstrings the hardest. Sumo is different from conventional deadlift when it comes to the position of your hands and feet. i would do what you suggest, but i just cant seem to nail the conventional deadlift technique, its just nor working for me, i tried setting up like mark rippetoe suggests and my back doesnt arch, i try setting up like pavel suggests and my back arches to much and my knees get in the way. Get your toes pointed towards the plates so that your femur and kneecap are in line with your toes. I don't necessarily think sumo is cheating but in my opinion isn't as true of a deadlift. CrossFit Seminar Staff member Julie Foucher demonstrates the sumo deadlift. Sumo feels awkward to me, likely because I don't train it much. By having long arms, the lifter can maintain a more upright torso with the chest up and still keep the hips high, which puts him/her in a better pulling position. Nice deadlift. A client may be able to do a conventional setup in the deadlift but feels too much discomfort in their lower back when doing so. Maybe you need more core work? Sumo just doesn't feel right. I honestly believe that the strongest men in the world deadlift conventional, both in powerlifting and strongman. The Sumo Deadlift is most visibly different from the Conventional Deadlift in that the lifter assumes a considerably wider stance. Using mixed grip/hook grip/straps will solve the issue, but it does not solve the underlying problem: you need to work on your grip strength if you want to pull that 300kg deadlift. Try a more leg dominant deadlift, such as the sumo deadlift sumo deadlift harder than conventional. ... You Might Feel Unmotivated To Train Deadlifts . Work on deadlift muscles at a different angle. If you are worried about the small ROM just elevate your feete until your hammies are touching your calves. I have since changed to low weight high rep, still no issues (less if anything), If you push through you will get used to the discomfort and be stronger. When I first started deadlifting with a belt, I didn't feel any benefit. Most people have difficulty flexing their lats. The trap bar deadlift is a great variation because it takes the stress off of your back and puts it on your legs – much like the Sumo Deadlift. It may not display this or other websites correctly. The Sumo Deadlift — You're Doing It the Wrong Way / Elite FTS For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. guineapig. If your conventional deadlift feels better with submaximal loads, but your sumo max is higher, then odds are that your back is weak. The short lever movement allows for those with a long torso and short limbs to maximize the pull. The mindset stereotypically of conventional deadlifters’ of “grip it and rip it” definitely doesn’t apply to the technically demanding lift of sumo deadlifts, and may have led to the misconceptions about raw sumo deadlifts. But you also don't want it so loose that it doesn't provide support. ... Any angle in, or more likely, out, makes you do more work – it sets you up in a more awkward starting position and makes the distance you have to pull longer. It seems the simplest regimen is … I have a 2.5" belt and it helps a lot vs. the standard 4" belt. Deadlifts are high on the list of bang-for-your-buck strength training moves. The Sumo Deadlift is a variation that emphasizes more on the use of your legs to squat the weight up rather than your hips and back.. With this style, your hips are closer to the bar compared to a conventional deadlift with a more vertical torso, which takes the stress off of your lower back and places it on your legs.. Related article: Create Gravity Defying Glutes With 6 Great Butt Growing Exercises. The Sumo Deadlift — You're Doing It the Wrong Way. Belts have always been uncomfortable to me, I just stopped wearing it. First, let’s break down the most common types of deadlifts, because some of the following research studies mention different ones. Interestingly this study also highlighted that both techniques have comparable hip and knee extension and as discussed above, conventional deadlift required around 25-40% more energy expenditure, greater vertical bar distance and overall mechanical work.So, it’s more powerful, but requires more energy. The first version is the conventional deadlift technique with the feet close together, hips back, and back straight. 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